From daryl at daryllee.com  Thu Apr  3 08:42:37 2008
From: daryl at daryllee.com (Daryl Lee)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:42:37 -0600
Subject: [Abqlispscheme] Scheme article on Linux.com
Message-ID: <47F4ECDD.1000700@daryllee.com>

Greetings:

I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks.  I'm fairly new to
Lisp/Scheme, and just had an introductory article published on linux.com
(http://www.linux.com/feature/130717).  The flurry of comments on the value
of Lisp/Scheme itself is very interesting to me, as a newbie.  I thought
this group might find it interesting, as well.

-- 
Daryl Lee
www.daryllee.com
Open the Present -- it's a Gift!


From fusion at storytotell.org  Thu Apr  3 10:14:32 2008
From: fusion at storytotell.org (Daniel Lyons)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:14:32 -0600
Subject: [Abqlispscheme] Scheme article on Linux.com
In-Reply-To: <47F4ECDD.1000700@daryllee.com>
References: <47F4ECDD.1000700@daryllee.com>
Message-ID: <A5B338BA-B0AF-4D6C-A7BD-3AC7B4FAE3A9@storytotell.org>


On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Daryl Lee wrote:

> Greetings:
>
> I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks.  I'm fairly new to
> Lisp/Scheme, and just had an introductory article published on  
> linux.com
> (http://www.linux.com/feature/130717).  The flurry of comments on  
> the value
> of Lisp/Scheme itself is very interesting to me, as a newbie.  I  
> thought
> this group might find it interesting, as well.


Good to hear from you Daryl! I hope we'll be seeing you at our next  
meeting on the 20th.

It looks like a nice intro article based on a quick glance. I would  
say the remarks in those comments are more or less the standard set.

There was a post on ycombinator this morning which I think was pretty  
insightful about this phenomenon: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=153812

-- 
Daniel Lyons
http://www.storytotell.org -- Tell It!




From dhbaird at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 10:33:56 2008
From: dhbaird at gmail.com (David Baird)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:33:56 -0600
Subject: [Abqlispscheme] Scheme article on Linux.com
In-Reply-To: <A5B338BA-B0AF-4D6C-A7BD-3AC7B4FAE3A9@storytotell.org>
References: <47F4ECDD.1000700@daryllee.com>
	<A5B338BA-B0AF-4D6C-A7BD-3AC7B4FAE3A9@storytotell.org>
Message-ID: <440abda90804030933n71755fefg4619902c04332f8e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Daniel Lyons <fusion at storytotell.org> wrote:
>  insightful about this phenomenon: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=153812

I like the suggestion that inserting delay lines to compensate for
distance errors be called "Agile Microwave Engineering".


From download at hpc.unm.edu  Thu Apr  3 11:20:58 2008
From: download at hpc.unm.edu (Jim Prewett)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:20:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Abqlispscheme] Scheme article on Linux.com
In-Reply-To: <A5B338BA-B0AF-4D6C-A7BD-3AC7B4FAE3A9@storytotell.org>
References: <47F4ECDD.1000700@daryllee.com>
	<A5B338BA-B0AF-4D6C-A7BD-3AC7B4FAE3A9@storytotell.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0804031108060.1834@trucha01.hpc.unm.edu>


Hi Daryl,

Let me second Daniel's welcome and invitation to our next meeting - We'd 
love to have you join us!  I'm personally happy to have people just chat 
with us over the mailing list if a monthly meeting is too much to commit 
to. :)

Thanks for the pointer to the article!  I'm cureous what others think of 
guile; I've never played with it myself (except for a very brief hacking 
with GIMP :)  Does guile make the Schemers happy?  (Is it "real" scheme?)

I was a little disappointed that the article compared Scheme with Emacs 
Lisp, not Common Lisp - Emacs lisp is a dinosaur, a Coelacanth if you 
will, somehow still around today (but arguably shouldn't be :P )... 

One thing I find extremely frustrating with these introduction to Lisp 
articles is that they usually show you CAR and CDR, LIST, DEFUN, then they 
expect you to understand how to take that and make a "real" application.  
I'll tell you, when I started with Lisp (Scheme in UNM's CS 251 course), I 
HATED EVERY MINUTE!  I didn't understand why I couldn't just write a "for 
loop":  The best part is that I could have written a for loop, using DO, 
LOOP, ITERATE, or my own special construct (macro) and that I 
fundamentally didn't want to: MAPCAR is actually a good thing (TM) :)

If you are interested in a very practical starter for Common Lisp, I would 
highly recommend that you take a look at Peter Siebel's (IMO Excellent!) 
book titled "Practical Common Lisp".  The full text of the book is freely 
available on Peter's website at: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ . 

Good luck & we hope to see you in a couple of weeks!,
Jim

James E. Prewett                    Jim at Prewett.org download at hpc.unm.edu 
Systems Team Leader           LoGS: http://www.hpc.unm.edu/~download/LoGS/ 
Designated Security Officer         OpenPGP key: pub 1024D/31816D93    
HPC Systems Engineer III   UNM HPC  505.277.8210

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Daniel Lyons wrote:

> 
> On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Daryl Lee wrote:
> 
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks.  I'm fairly new to
> > Lisp/Scheme, and just had an introductory article published on  
> > linux.com
> > (http://www.linux.com/feature/130717).  The flurry of comments on  
> > the value
> > of Lisp/Scheme itself is very interesting to me, as a newbie.  I  
> > thought
> > this group might find it interesting, as well.
> 
> 
> Good to hear from you Daryl! I hope we'll be seeing you at our next  
> meeting on the 20th.
> 
> It looks like a nice intro article based on a quick glance. I would  
> say the remarks in those comments are more or less the standard set.
> 
> There was a post on ycombinator this morning which I think was pretty  
> insightful about this phenomenon: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=153812
> 
> -- 
> Daniel Lyons
> http://www.storytotell.org -- Tell It!
> 
> 
> 
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> Abqlispscheme at mailer.hpc.unm.edu
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> 


From daryl at daryllee.com  Thu Apr  3 13:13:20 2008
From: daryl at daryllee.com (Daryl Lee)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:13:20 -0600
Subject: [Abqlispscheme] Scheme article on Linux.com
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0804031108060.1834@trucha01.hpc.unm.edu>
References: <47F4ECDD.1000700@daryllee.com>
	<A5B338BA-B0AF-4D6C-A7BD-3AC7B4FAE3A9@storytotell.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0804031108060.1834@trucha01.hpc.unm.edu>
Message-ID: <47F52C50.2030208@daryllee.com>

I have marked my calendar for the 20th; hopefully I'll be able to attend the
meeting.

As the introduction to the article hinted, there are applications ready at
hand (GIMP, Emacs) that depend on Scheme and (e)Lisp for their behavior, and
that using the built-in extensibility of those apps was not as scary a
proposition as might be supposed.  The example I gave was actually a rewrite
of an eLisp extension I originally wrote to see if I could figure out how to
bend Emacs to my will to do something useful.

Sometimes the best way to learn something is to write about it.  At least
none of the commenters said that I totally misunderstood my topic. :)

Jim Prewett wrote:
> Hi Daryl,
> 
> Let me second Daniel's welcome and invitation to our next meeting - We'd 
> love to have you join us!  I'm personally happy to have people just chat 
> with us over the mailing list if a monthly meeting is too much to commit 
> to. :)
> 
> Thanks for the pointer to the article!  I'm cureous what others think of 
> guile; I've never played with it myself (except for a very brief hacking 
> with GIMP :)  Does guile make the Schemers happy?  (Is it "real" scheme?)
> 
> I was a little disappointed that the article compared Scheme with Emacs 
> Lisp, not Common Lisp - Emacs lisp is a dinosaur, a Coelacanth if you 
> will, somehow still around today (but arguably shouldn't be :P )... 
> 
> One thing I find extremely frustrating with these introduction to Lisp 
> articles is that they usually show you CAR and CDR, LIST, DEFUN, then they 
> expect you to understand how to take that and make a "real" application.  
> I'll tell you, when I started with Lisp (Scheme in UNM's CS 251 course), I 
> HATED EVERY MINUTE!  I didn't understand why I couldn't just write a "for 
> loop":  The best part is that I could have written a for loop, using DO, 
> LOOP, ITERATE, or my own special construct (macro) and that I 
> fundamentally didn't want to: MAPCAR is actually a good thing (TM) :)
> 
> If you are interested in a very practical starter for Common Lisp, I would 
> highly recommend that you take a look at Peter Siebel's (IMO Excellent!) 
> book titled "Practical Common Lisp".  The full text of the book is freely 
> available on Peter's website at: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ . 
> 
> Good luck & we hope to see you in a couple of weeks!,
> Jim
> 
> James E. Prewett                    Jim at Prewett.org download at hpc.unm.edu 
> Systems Team Leader           LoGS: http://www.hpc.unm.edu/~download/LoGS/ 
> Designated Security Officer         OpenPGP key: pub 1024D/31816D93    
> HPC Systems Engineer III   UNM HPC  505.277.8210
> 
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Daniel Lyons wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Daryl Lee wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings:
>>>
>>> I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks.  I'm fairly new to
>>> Lisp/Scheme, and just had an introductory article published on  
>>> linux.com
>>> (http://www.linux.com/feature/130717).  The flurry of comments on  
>>> the value
>>> of Lisp/Scheme itself is very interesting to me, as a newbie.  I  
>>> thought
>>> this group might find it interesting, as well.
>>
>> Good to hear from you Daryl! I hope we'll be seeing you at our next  
>> meeting on the 20th.
>>
>> It looks like a nice intro article based on a quick glance. I would  
>> say the remarks in those comments are more or less the standard set.
>>
>> There was a post on ycombinator this morning which I think was pretty  
>> insightful about this phenomenon: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=153812
>>
>> -- 
>> Daniel Lyons
>> http://www.storytotell.org -- Tell It!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Abqlispscheme mailing list
>> Abqlispscheme at mailer.hpc.unm.edu
>> http://mailer.hpc.unm.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/abqlispscheme
>>
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Daryl Lee
www.daryllee.com
Open the Present -- it's a Gift!